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United We Blog! for a Democratic Nepal Ethnic Federalism in Nepal is a Recipe for Disaster

United We Blog! for a Democratic Nepal Ethnic Federalism in Nepal is a Recipe for Disaster
Anna Nicole Smith  |  by www.blog.com.np. All rights reserved. 20.03 | 17:30

With the untimely death of the 1990 constitution, the Seven Party Alliance (SPA) and their comrades the Maoists together code named as SPAM have claimed to represent all the people of Nepal and the interest of the Nepalese people whether the people like it or not. SPAs claim to represent the people because they were elected more than seven years ago. The Maoists comrades claim to represent the people because they have been able to coerce the people to support them by intimidation, extortion, armed kidnapping, and cheap slogans.

Together the SPAs and the Maoists, the so called SPAM have become the most powerful political force or so they claim. With the mighty Prime Minister Mr. Girija Koirala in the driving seat and his Comrade Prachanda in the front seat together with all the heroes of Janandolan II and eleven years old insurgency veterans, the bus carrying the Interim Constitution was in motion.

Unfortunately, the arrogance of SPAM was challenged by both the Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis. The Interim constitution also made provision to form an interim parliament with the addition of 83 Maoists and 48 other members who are part of SPAM. After all, the scrapping of the old constitution may not have been an excellent idea.


It is indeed very sad for the people of Nepal that there is not a single national level patriotic and visionary leader with clean image. Right now, Mr. Girija Koirala is the leader of SPAM.

However, Mr. Koirala is not accepted by all the people. First of all, he is the leader of the half Congress party.

The other half of the Congress party is led by Mr. Deuba. Mr.

Koirala’s behavior during the Tanakpur Treaty with India and his lack of interest to safeguard the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the country puts a question mark on his patriotism. In addition, Mr. Koirala as a Head of State and Head of Government failed to express his opposition to the encroachment of Nepalese territory in various border areas by India including in Kalapani, Susta, Illam, Jhapa.

Saptari, Banke and Bardia. In fact, even the Ranas who ruled the country for 104 years were more patriotic than any of the SPAM leadership. For example, during the British Rule of India, Nepal maintained all even numbered borders and the Brirish maintained all the odd numbered pillars every year.

That kind of border maintenance was abandoned both by multiparty rulers and Panchayati rulers.
Secondly, Mr. Koirala does not have a clean image.

His involvement in various scandals during the time he was prime minister for the major part of multiparty government from 1990 to 2001. In fact, Mr. Koirala refused to present himself to the court when he was summoned by the court on corruption charges.


Thirdly, Mr. Koirala does not have any vision or any other plan to develop and help the country and the people. He is a happy camper as long as he is in power.


Fourthly, majority of the leaders of all political parties do not have clean image. Many of them have been involved with corruption, nepotism, favoritism, and influence peddling. Some of them even have criminal records including murder.


How about the Maoists Comrades? What kind of credibility do they have? Well, as we all know 13,000 Nepalese people lost their lives as a direct result of the so called people’s war started by the Maoists insurgents.

Another 26,000 committed suicide because they could not bear the pain and suffering caused by the war. Over a million people were internally displaced. Many more people left the country in total despair without any hope for themselves and for their children.

Today, there are hundreds of thousands of Nepalese people working as laborers (often doing the most dangerous and life threatening jobs which nobody else would do) in many Gulf countries as well as in Malaysia and South Korea.
Several millions if not billions of dollars of worth infrastructure including government offices, schools, transmission towers, bridges, roads, etc have been destroyed. All this happened because of the people’s war.

The comrades must take the responsibility for the injustices done to the people. So these Maoists leaders whose hands are stained with the blood of the people are also intoxicated with the blood of the 13,000 Nepalese people. Therefore, it would be an exercise in futility to expect any thing good from these self proclaimed leaders who got where they are today with the use of guns and bombs and also with a little bit of help from the extremely friendly neighbor in the south.


According to Sobhakar Parajuli (Kathmandu Post, Feb,. 28, 2007) “The Maoists spread a reign of terrorism in villages and urban areas. They have yet to return the property of innocent people seized during their so-called people s war.

They continue to extort money and threaten the villagers. Madi ambush is still fresh among the relatives of those killed. Now Prachanda regrets that it was their mistake when he was aware of the fact that traveling in the bus were innocent passengers.

Such regretting words do not convince the people. Rather, Prachanda appears cruel and inhumane in the eyes of the common people.”
Well then, are there any other leaders in the SPAM or any other political parties who have long term plan to lift the nation out of poverty, illiteracy, hunger, disease, and outdated caste system?

Do any of them have a way to stop the exploitation of the poor and destitute people from the clutches of feudal landlords and crooked business man? Unfortunately, the answer is no.
All these leaders are chanting the same Mantra as the Maoists Comrades.

For example, the comrades have been chanting the mantra of Federalism and Constituency Assembly (CA) elections and every one of the leaders both inside and outside SPAM chant the same mantra without even understanding what does constituency assembly or Federalism mean? What are the long term implications of these activities? Does Federalism lead us to a better future?

Or it would lead to the fragmentation of the nation thereby multiplying the interethnic conflicts. Would it help us to provide better education to our children? Would it help us to provide better health care to our people?

Would it help us to improve the well being of our people? Would it improve the standard of living our people? Would it help us to maintain the peaceful relationship among our multiethnic and multi linguistic people?

If so please tell us exactly how it would happen. Is it magical in nature? Does it mean that as soon as the King is exiled or executed and CA elections held and Federalism established, Nepal will turn into another heaven?


People want to know what your plan for economic development is. What are the SPAM plans for education, healthcare, environmental issues, and exploitation of the poor people? Every dissident group is in a destructive mood right now.

The infrastructure that was built by donations or borrowed money has been destroyed by our comrades as well as others who think they deserve a bigger piece of existing pie. No one wants to work to increase the size of the pie so that every one will have enough.
What kind of Leader Do Nepalese People Want?


Unfortunately, Nepal never had a visionary leader who puts personal interests above political party interests and national interests above political party interests. None have shown any vision for the future of the nation. No leader has been acceptable to all ethnic groups and people of different political affiliations.

If we are to build our nation strong and prosperous we need to have political leader who has the following characteristics:
1. Since Nepal is a multi-ethnic nation where no group is in majority, we need a leader who is completely unbiased and can get along with people of all regions and ethnic backgrounds irrespective of their culture, language, political affiliations and caste. In other words, the leader must be able to live and work with Kamis, or Sarkis, or Sherpas, or Tharus, or Danuwar, or Satars, or Limbus, etc.

This can only happen if the leader has the interests of the people and the nation above his/her personal interests.
2. People need a leader who has high moral and ethical standards and as such s/he has the ability to tell others to follow high ethical and moral values.


3. The leader must also be motivating and charismatic so that s/he can influence the people and motivate them to work hard to improve their own livelihood and neighborhood.
4.

The leader must also possess a clear sense of purpose (or mission) - clear goals - focus – commitment.
5. The leader must also be able to work with others and be highly optimistic and results oriented
6.

Ability to encourage and nurture others so that s/he can make a difference in the lives of the people.
7. Ability to understand what others say, rather than listening to how they say things.

One could partly sum this quality up as ability to walk in someone else s shoes Or know where the shoe pinches.
8. The leader must be able to display a passion for, and have a strong conviction of, what they regard as the moral correctness of their vision.

They engage in outstanding or extraordinary behavior and make extraordinary self-sacrifices in the interest of their vision and mission.
9. The leader must be inspirational and communicate with people in an understandable way and live by example.

S/he must have high self confidence, determination and persistence.
10. The leader must have ability to delegate authority to reliable and competent people.


Culture of Death, Destruction, and Violence
It is no secret that Maoists got where they are today using ruthless violence, destruction, murder, looting, kidnapping, intimidation, and extortion. They also used cheap and unrealistic slogans to attract people to their line of thinking. For example, Comrade Prachanda when he first showed up in public promised to turn Nepal into another Switzerland.

It seems he was repeating the rhetoric of another great leader Mr. Krishna Prasad Bhattarai who proclaimed that he was going to make Nepal as developed as Singapore within five years when he was the prime minister.
Comrade Prachanda even went to the extent of claiming that he can make greater Nepal by declaring the Sugauli Treaty signed with the British in 1816 null and void.

This comes from the same leader who wants to give the right to self determination to all those ethnic groups who are demanding for it. Comrade Prachanda! Tell us the truth do you want to break the country into smaller countries or build a greater Nepal?

Your statements are conflicting and confusing.
Now the Maoists comrades are in power with the successful use of force, destruction of public and private property, extortion, and intimidation. The success of Maoists is now being copied by other groups.

They have learned that it pays to be violent and act of violent crimes can get results. With the lessons learned from the Comrades, other groups whether they are Terai residents, Khambuwans, Tamurats, Magarats and many others are using the time tested Maoists tactics to get what they want. There is a culture of violence, death and destruction in Nepal now.

Every one wants to stop the movement of vehicles and burn tires causing great amount of financial loss to the working class.
One of the dangerous promises that the comrades used was to turn Nepal into a Federal Republic where each indigenous group of people will have an autonomous republic. For example, they promised different autonomous regions for such ethnic groups as Gurungs, Magars, Newars, Tamangs, Tharus, and many others.


How Can an Autonomous Regions be Achieved?
According the 2001 Census of Nepal, the population of Nepal consists of the following categories in terms of percentage:
Population of Nepal in Percentage (Source: Central Bureau of Statistics, Nepal Government)
There are 72 other categories of people in Nepal which are not listed in the above table. The criteria used to cut off was any groups which are less than 0.

5% of the total population are not quoted as these would not be needed to make the point clear.
Let us say, for example, as promised by Maoists Comrades that we all agree that Limbuwan and Khambuwan are given an autonomous region in the eastern Nepal. From the above table one can see that they constitute a population of 4.

37% when both groups are combined. Now, the problem is the region where they want their autonomous region also have many other ethnic groups including Magars, Gurungs, Bahuns, Chhetries, Kamis, Damais, Sarkis, Newars, Tamangs, and the list goes on and on. If they are given autonomy in the area then what are the other people who have been living there for hundreds of years going to do?

Do they have to move to somewhere else? If so where would they go? Let us forget about the Bahuns and Chettris who are supposedly the exploiters and let them go to hell.

However, what is a poor Kami or a poor Damai is going to do. Where would they go? Kamis and Damais like Newars, Bahuns, Sarkis, and Chettris are spread all over Nepal.


The recent revolts by the Terai residents and the various ethnic groups from the mountains have been claiming the fair representation in administration, army, police, etc. There is no question that their demands are appropriate and justified. However, these demands cannot be addressed by CA election or the introduction of Federalism.


According to the 2001 census of Nepal, there are 103 different ethnic groups in Nepal. They speak at least 90 different languages. Some of the ethnic groups are as small as 164 people.

For example, according to the 2001 census of Nepal there are only 164 Kusundas in Nepal and these people are no where else in the world. Different groups of people especially the ones demanding the autonomy are spread out through out the nation. Therefore, introduction of Federalism or declaration of self governing regions based on ethnic groups will spell disaster for the whole country.

It would not even benefit the group that is claiming autonomy. The ethnic groups such as Magars, Tharus, Tamangs, Newars, only constitute 7.14%, 6.

75%, 5.64%, and 5.48% respectively.

Moreover, these groups are not living in a particular locality. They are pretty much spread out through out the country except the Tharus who mainly reside in the Terai belt.
Therefore, the best way to kill the snake without breaking the stick would be to empower the local governments.

It will be a true democratic way of resolving the demands of terai residents as well as the various ethnic groups of the hill areas.
What Kind of Power would the Local Government Have?
The ultimate objective should be to give the power to raise tax, be responsible for taking care of school education, primary health care, local self governance including public safety (hiring local police), passing the rules and regulations on the local governance, and judiciary.

Well, that gives the local elected bodies complete authority. It will all be democratic because the people will elect not only the local government officials but also the judges and the chief of the police. People must be alert and ask for transparency, accountability, and rule of law.

This will be the ultimate democracy which will satisfy the demands of all ethnic groups no matter how small or how large they are.
Khagendra Thapa is a professor at . UWB received this article in email and views expressed in the article are his own and we do not necessarily agree with the writer.

I have changed my stand now after my forty years of my political identity. I was a born critic of the king and the shah dynasty. Now, I am making a sudden U turn.

Now I understand why we need some kind of king in our country for our identity and unity of the country.
After I watched the Nepal 1 TV program, I could see how Christians are wiping us out. The evangelists have intruded our country and they are brainwashing our simple people.

We must fight back. One of the reasons is that our country is heading toward republic. So they are taking this opportunity.


Our ethnic religions in nepal are not united and institutionalised and it may be very easy for organized religions like the evangelists to replace our culture with their foreign idfeas which have no root in Nepal s identity. And at least for that, we may have to think about keeping some kind of monarchy in the country.
Paras and Gyandendra are culprits and they should never be allowed to go free.

They must be dethroned and brought to justice but we can seat Birendra s grand daughter, the only blood of Birendra and re-establish monarchy. She deserves her right. We must also change our system, it is not just the boy prince but anyone who is the eldest will seat on the throne, be it girl or a boy but he or she has to be a born Hindu.

Professor - you make good points, but your proposal as empowering local govt to start with is superficial. Unless until we dont dismanlte the underlying feudal structure of Nepal, nothing is going to work and the fight must continue for a federal system. Underlying structure here means bahunism and monarchicism - more bahunism.


Anything less than a federal structure will change nothing. Worst case if federalism doesnt work out, what would we lose/miss anyway. The current situation/structure is as worst as it can get.

Sure, from the data you give federalism seems like a very difficult thing to acheive, but it must be used as a negotiating chip to bring these feudalists/bahunists to track and coerce them to create a new, equalitarian system in Nepal. Once we Janjatis/Madhesis stop this demand of ours, these bastards will become complacent and go back to their old tricks again. And we not going to get sold by intellectual bahunism shit like this article of yours.

(I take the option to scrap your article coz being a prof, you giving a crappy alternative)
Surely, the revolution that happened and all the shit we went thru, its simply not worth giving up anything lesser than federalism, otherwise everything else just becomes status quo. Personally, I dont think federalism is good for Nepal. But I would prefer it than the current situation/structure.

I suggest the writer read more abuot Dr. Martin Luther King before he quotes him.
Unfortunately, the arrogance of SPAM was challenged by both the Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis.


Use of biased census data is just laughable.
There are plenty of indigenous leaders who have more qualities than the writer listed. The Caste-centric Bahun-Chetri led political system can not be patriotic because they have no attachment to the land as are the indigenous leaders.

It s that simple. Mr. Thapa this article was first published on nepalnews.

com under guest column.
Mr. Thapa s article has many self-conflicting statements and recollections and his ethical and moral standards for the political leader are oxymoron.


- Am I a human animal or not?
- If Yes - Don t I have a brain with 300 billions of nuerons working constantly even I am in sleep?, aren t there 3000 thousands genes managing the wires of psychology that is found in new study published on popular newspaper Times of January 07 edition that essential blocks the self-lying process or self-hiding process in brain itself?


- Then don t I commit or think or fantasize things that might be considered unethical and immoral?
- Unless Mr. Thapa do not eat, urinate and excrete, do not sleep or his Lingum do not erect and so on, then the moral and ethical points can be raised.

Since he is human animal he must desire all this including good time bed with his wife if he is married or otherwise girl-friend.
The moral and ethical questions are man made values and they can not be demanded for public standard.
The Rule of Law can only be established with the consent of people in majority who have approved the rule to be implemented.


The morals and ethical values are based on personal, familial, social, religious, superstitous propogandas. One man s moral or ethical value can be other man s crime.
In democratic establishment the political, social and economic ethics are based on Existential Humanism, Secularism (all inclusive) and Federalism (work responsiblity distribution or decentralization of state power and responsibility).


Establishment of the basic human rights in a state by the government is the humanist demand in this modern time of Humanism and evolutionary science that the govenment must be able to fulfill the basic human rights rquirements for its citizens.
-Guarentee of the Civil Liberty - in a nation and regional states of the nation if it has a federal govenance system the civil Liberty of the people must be guarenteed - right to live anywhere in the nation (any regional states, right work, right seek happiness, right to possess property, right to marry, right to speech, right to vote and so on)
- Protection of the Civil Rights - civil rights of baby, childern, women, ethnic community, riligious rights, and so on the Democratic establishment this is himanist, secular and federal.
Remember Federalism is the system or methodism that will decentralize the work load of the nation in a regional or local level.

Simply a democratic nation can not be successful without decentralization of state responsibility and the power.
SO YOUR FOLLOWING QUESTIONS ARE NOT IRRELAVANTS TO THE CONTEXT OF THE CONTEMPORARY NEPALI POLITY.
Since Nepal is a multi-ethnic nation where no group is in majority, we need a leader who is completely unbiased and can get along with people of all regions and ethnic backgrounds irrespective of their culture, language, political affiliations and caste.

In other words, the leader must be able to live and work with Kamis, or Sarkis, or Sherpas, or Tharus, or Danuwar, or Satars, or Limbus, etc. This can only happen if the leader has the interests of the people and the nation above his/her personal interests.
2.

People need a leader who has high moral and ethical standards and as such s/he has the ability to tell others to follow high ethical and moral values.
3. The leader must also be motivating and charismatic so that s/he can influence the people and motivate them to work hard to improve their own livelihood and neighborhood.


4. The leader must also possess a clear sense of purpose (or mission) - clear goals - focus – commitment.
5.

The leader must also be able to work with others and be highly optimistic and results oriented
DO NOT TAKE BUDDHA AS RELIGIOUS MORALIST. BUDDHA DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD THAT MOST OF CONTEMPORARY HINDU BELIEVES.
6.

Ability to encourage and nurture others so that s/he can make a difference in the lives of the people.
7. Ability to understand what others say, rather than listening to how they say things.

One could partly sum this quality up as “ability to walk in someone else’s shoes” Or know where the shoe pinches.
RES: HUMAN ANIMAL BRAIN NEEDS A LOT OF TRAINING, SKILL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPERIENCE FOR THIS.
8.

The leader must be able to display a passion for, and have a strong conviction of, what they regard as the moral correctness of their vision. They engage in outstanding or extraordinary behavior and make extraordinary self-sacrifices in the interest of their vision and mission.
9.

The leader must be inspirational and communicate with people in an understandable way and live by example. S/he must have high self confidence, determination and persistence.
10.

The leader must have ability to delegate authority to reliable and competent people.
RES: NEED TRAINING AND SKILLS - WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM?
The question is do we have any leaders who display even five of the above qualities?

You be the judge.
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to death, your right to say it. .

. Voltaire
The same goes to you, rather double. As you enjoy your “RIGHT” to express your obnoxious brain and biased opinion, rambling around the same words in your article full with human physiological mix mashala.

Mr. Khagendra Thapa also has his right to put his personal opinion.
When as the publishing domain clearly states ….

Khagendra Thapa is a professor at Ferris State University. UWB received this article in email and views expressed in the article are his own and we do not necessarily agree with the writer.
I would rather see him more patriotic than you.

Despite of living in foreign country, he is analysing the current situation of Nepal and expressing his view, suggesting for the betterment of the country. In the meantime also does not mean, that we have to agree with everything he has written, just because he is Prof or NRN.
On the other-hand you, poking him with the total irrelevant issue like intimacy with woman, stating “several times”….

IF NOT HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH YOUR WIFE, GIRL FRIEND OR OTHERWISE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE.
What on earth does that mean??

???

My guess: May be you think, Mr. Khagendra’s wife, girl friend or otherwise is more beautiful than one of yours. And you are Jealous about it.


To that, if we are discussing a Political Issue then let’s be discussing Politics not somebody else’s personal life. Not a right way of debating.
In my opinion, Nepal does not need any particular Branded system for its development and lasting stability.


But the system that aims and claims for…… Peace, Human Right, Law, Vision, Plan, Educated People in Politics, and never forget PUBLIC EDUCATION.
What I see these days, protests against Government by Terai residents (Madhesi Group) and the Janajatis is more political than social.
Couple of Incompetent leaders that are unable to compete with other group of Incompetent, uneducated, corrupted and vision less leaders of SPAM want representation in Parliament.


And what is the easy way of getting to power??
Influence the unaware, uneducated, uninformed people and use them for their interest.

Telling them how they are discriminated. I was born and raised in educated family in Kathmandu. So, I’m not familiar with this kind of Caste, colour and language discrimination.

I have neighbours and friends belonging to all caste. And we respect each other. But WHERE is the discrimination?

It’s in villages, especially in Terai regions….I have seen with my own eyes and heard from many of my friends from terai. There is discrimination between Terai residents (Madhesi Groups).

Why is it like that?
Only answer to that is lack of Awareness…and ….”EDUCATION”….

our people need education. Leaders are shouting for Federalism for their own personal interest and poor people are dying, without even knowing what they are protesting for.
I would say….

STOP the ethnical division. That will take us nowhere but down.
Myself, I am Chettri.

But I never ever discriminated anybody due to their caste; I always had and have friends from all Castes. If anybody who have lived in Kathmandu would have the same opinion like mine.
I have seen and met people of all Castes working in Bank, Government offices, Private offices.

And never have heard of caste discrimination while hiring somebody. Yes of course there is corruption in hiring procedure….But this corrupted personal only sees Money….

regardless of his qualification and caste.
In Nepal…that is for sure if you have education, you can do and go wherever and do whatever unlike in India. At least that’s my experience.


And why are Bahun are so targeted and discriminated?
Its pity that we are talking about NO racism according to Caste and everybody here in forum is targeting and insulting Bahun and Chettri…why?
@ Justice: There are plenty of indigenous leaders who have more qualities than the writer listed.

The Caste-centric Bahun-Chetri led political system can not be patriotic because they have no attachment to the land as are the indigenous leaders. It’s that simple.
1.

) So you mean that, more qualified indigenous leaders led political system would be more patriotic?
2.) How can you prove that.

.Bahun and chettri have no attachment to the land….and indigenous leaders have more?


There you are wrong, My brother!!!


I am Chettri and I love my Country Nepal ..My ancestors have fought for this country and when it comes I will not hesitate to sacrifice my life to protect it.

And will be offended by the grotesque statment as such yours. Tapai ko ragat Nepali mero ragat Nepali .k bhanna Khojya?

.
What about the racism while selecting British Ghurkha? Yes, I know your answer.

You would say: if you are capable physically then you can get into British army even being Newar, Chettri or Bahun right? Actually it is true.
Open your eyes and look around, it is same in Politics and Bureaucracy, if you are educated and capable nobody is going to stop you from getting a job in Nepal…or to be an influencing leader….

That is FACT and everybody knows it.
Its not Bahun’s fault that they go to school and study hard, Newari people start business and are good at it and Rai, limbu, Tamang, Magar, Gurung are physically strong and prepare themselves for Army (British, India, Nepal), Terai people do farming because southern part of Nepal has fertile land and Chettris (Use to be brave fighters) but these days…mostly do nothing…but trying out in every fields.
First: Genocide: In what base are you Blaming Bahun for committing Genocide?


I suggest you to refer the history book, to elaborate your knowledge about our Nation’s history.
Especially the part where Nepali language has been made compulsory and other languages were pushed behind. And I am sure you will come to know…that those who implemented were not Bahun.


And Justice: If Bahuns had not started institutional discrimination against other groups in educational opportunities, and subsequently economic and social development of other groups, the issue of ethnic injustice would never be raised.
Can you explain me that little bit in Detail? Which era was that in Nepal, such an event happened and I am not aware of?


Specific Names of the people involved and incidents accounting to those consequences…would help to elaborate my knowledge on that aspect. ….Thank you…
Well…let me give you little bit background.

As everybody of us know that during Rana regime none of the Civilian was allowed to have any sort of education. I hope you know at least this…or??


The fall of Rana regime was the result of people’s revolution and leaders who were leading happened to be Bahun so called Koirala brothers..… Actually were based in Banaras and gained their education there itself.


Now I do not remember any Bahun Regime that came to power and started institutional discrimination……Or any Koirala Regime that discriminated anyone.
This discrimination propaganda is brainwashing tool of corrupted politicians. Just to pave their path to Parliament (POWER)
Let’s not forget it was NOT ANY POLITICAL PARTIES, NOT any leader or ANY Type of people who led the people’s movement II, which resulted the fall of Gyanendra’s regime.


It was done by all Nepali people including all caste……..do u agree?


1.) Did you follow that people’s movement?
2.

) Were you involved?
3.) Whom did you support?


4.) Were you there to help the injured?
5.

) Did you notice..what caste s people were involved during the protest?

or it was mixed? or there were only bahuns? or there were only tamang?

or there were only Newar?
@ Justice…..

I demand answers to these questions from you.
If you were there, then you know that we need UNITY among us. We are all Nepali.


So, STOP giving birth to a HATER inside your Nepali Heart.
@Justice .you do not sound so authentic to me .

neither Patriotic .suggesting me to refer some western cliché article to know about, what’s going on in OUR NEPAL??


You have been brainwashed by some corrupted people ..and you are in the path of destruction .

people like you are the root cause of the whole ethnic base problem (Half educated people)….There are several other severe problems in Nepal…and people like you are just focused to get your share….so that you can get into power earn loads and loads of money………Not True?

?
Answer yourself genuinely ….Have you ever taken Bribe?

If answer is YES…then please stop pretending to be a National Hero…by simply blaming Bahuns. Blaming others for Fame is a Hip Fashion in Nepali politics…..

Afu ley kehi garna sakdaina…tesailey aru lai dos deney..
Your blames are baseless……See the Cambodia history….

.should we be doing the same?
Bringing all the uneducated farmers….

in Offices to work…and Send all the educated…people to plough the land…….Is that your demand?.


About being sorry….Let me say something!!

….I am sorry for “Nepal Ama”…who gave birth to a child who is paving the path of civil war…..

all evidences are directing towards you……You are that destructive minded and extremely dangerous to our Peaceful country Nepal…..
I think there are some arguements of Mr.

Justice that you just fail to understand. Let me try and make a few things clear and simple.
1) Mr.

Justice is not saying that Nepal and Cambodia are the same country, or that they are similar, or that Nepal should follow what happened in Cambodia. All Mr. Justice is trying to highlight is that it seems rather difficult for a priviledged group of people to see something that they are doing wrong.

Thats it. Nothing more nothing less. Cambodia here is only used as an example.


2) Mr. Justice is only making a simple point which is, the bahuns as a group, in Nepal hold the clear majority of power. As proof of the statement he is asking you to look at the majority of the political leaders, and government officials and beauracrats.

There is indeed a bahun majority which no can dispute.
3)Nepali politics has been corrupt. Its a fact, please don t even try and deny this.

The point is then, because most of the political leaders and people in the government have been bahuns, it follows that bahuns were the ones who were corrupted and discriminated against the others. This is somewhat unfair, because we can t say for sure if it would be any different if say the magars or tamangs or newars or chaudharys were in power instead of the bahuns. However because we never had that oppurtunity, we will have to safely agree that bahuns in nepali politics and government have been corrupted, have discriminated other groups etc etc etc
Yes Mr.

Nepali, at this time it is dangerous to be discussing such issues and it could bring about more instability, however we cannot afford to run away from this core issue. Maybe we should turn a blind eye to it today, but if not addressed properly some time in the near future it will come back to haunt us again. Thats is all.

I hope this is what Mr. Justice is trying to say as well. But that is my stand.


For now lets focus on the interim government and getting rid of a useless institution like the monarchy. This I believe will bring all nepalis on the same level with no more nonsensical heirarchies. We should then discuss all other issues like the one we are exploring here after that.

What do you think Mr. Nepali, Mr.Justice, do share with us.

Well people….Great leaders are not made by using cheap slogans based on the ethnic group’s right or whatsoever….especially in the country like Nepal.


Great leaders are those…who gives up their personal interests and worries for Nation’s interest. Great leaders don’t belong to any particular group or type. They are not made by anyone.

They are not famous by creating propaganda and by playing “blaming others” Politics etc.
Sad but true….We do not have any Great leader in our Country…that is the fact.


Let me put forward….some historical prospective, which is quite relevant to the issue that we have been discussing….
As I already mentioned, the educational situation during Rana regime.


Due to that fact, in the past there were very few educated people….And among that very few people most of them were Bahuns…..

because others were busy in other professions. Likewise chettris in army…newar in doing farming and business…terai basi the same….tamang, magar.

.rai limbu, gurung..

were also busy doing farming or were involved in army (Nepal, India,Britian)
So, after the fall of Rana regime….with the new system …different people were required to work in the government offices….so in this situation who were eligible to work there?

???

What would be your answer, Please? .ok let me answer for you….

well those were the few people who were educated….disregard of what castes…..

,,It’s just a coincidence that among those few educated people…most of them were Bahun….and few others…..


Same on the other hand if you see..there are lots of chettris in Nepal army why?

Because its family tradition……
And why are there only Janajatis in British Gorkha? That’s also because it’s been family tradition………
Should not Bahuns now protest for their non existence in other fields than in Government offices? .

.Or will that be just Silly?
This Bahun baad and Ethnic division is non issue….

we have to be together is such a situation like this one, when country is going through a radical change in system and several outsiders are planning their dirty game to use it for their benefits.
But Nepali people are just worried about themselves…..

who will worry about people who work in the farm just outside of Kathmandu.
But NO!!

Janajati would protest….just to have one incompetent leader in the parliament…..

and take on the street…announce…Nepal Bandha…or even may be Civil war…….
This may sound like a story…but its happening….They would beat up this poor farmer.

.because he is there to sell his stuff during the Bandha..

…Maoist would recruit his children…..and the whole family would be devastated……and and and….

never ending story…..Who the fck gives the Fck?


Afno janajati ko mache ayo bhane tyo project haat ma paru la…choro lai America pathaula…..salo lai job delaula….

.who cares about poor people and their education?
We Nepali went through so much of suffering…so much of “Nepal Bandha”…and sacrifice of thousands of Nepali brothers…and now we got this opportunity to throw irresponsible and cruel King and bring in the new system in the country.


And now what are we doing? Fighting like dogs for a bone (POWER).
Who are the one who have nice houses and nice cars in Kathmandu?


Lahure haru, Corrupted Leaders, Corrupted Officials ( Bahun, Chettri, Rai,Limbu, Newar, Kasai, Sarki, Madhesia,,,etc,,,). I mean to say most of the Government officials are corrupted….regardless of castes…Agree?

?
Who is studying in most expensive school in Kathmandu? Lahure ko chora chori haru /Politicians…eg: campion academy Kathmandu
Who are the most of the hiphop people in Kathmandu?

Lauhre ko chora chori
Who are the most of disco goers in Kathmandu? Lauhre ko chora chori….
I would say first clean up the mess in your own home…when you have access to everything…make your children’s to study hard….

.and later encourage them to get a job in Government Offices…..

???

!!!

! What do you think the answer of your Children would be?
@ telic op: remeber dude, no janjatis or madhesis or dalits r after bahun n chettries but to eliminate the virtual system created by them called ‘bahunbaad’.

n any one can posses it, so no hard feeling dude, we all r proud nepalese, just try to understand the real ground situation.
What I am trying to say is, this virtual Bahunbaad does not exists….it the creation of some incompetent and vested leaders who want to come to the power…and they are using this Bahunbaad propaganda…and being popular among Janajatis.


And we unaware Nepali are being victim of such scam.
We need better approach to deal with contemporary visionless…and corrupted Leaders…not only Bahuns but all of them.
Grija Bahun bha bhayera….

politics khattam bha ho ta? .Grija Rai bhaidya bhaney pani yestai hunthyo….

.
" We need Educated Young People in poltics ….regardless of what caste he or she belong to,,,,,,
Well….

.that’s what I am talking about….If you want to reach your goal….

then you have to work hard for it….You are Doctoral student…Bravo!!

..thats very impressive…may be one day you will go back to Nepal…(if you are currently residing outside Nepal) and will help your villagers to fight against the poverty by providing them ultimate tool i.

e. EDUCATION.
SPA was and is doing “Blaming others Politics” so is Maoist …even King some days before….

Everybody is blaming each other…..Nobody has the road map for the future development of Nepal…by eliminating illiteracy, poverty, and applying law and order in the Nation.


Every Politician is busy planning to pave their path to be in POWER so that they can earn so much of MONEY that their seven generation would not have to work.
And little educated Nepali people like us…are following them or victimized by their propaganda s.
It is not the question of Bahun percent.

But it is the qestion of Bahunism that make the king big time god with the connotations of gods of Purana - Vedic literatures.
Why did the Buhunism did that is the proper inquery on the matter!
For power, for security, for money and so on
This is what created the Feudalism dominate psyche of average people of Nepal with zero inquery on the matter.

Rather taking the buuuulllssshhittt for granted.
As a result, average people of Nepal remained poor and only selected one became privileged,
All castes and ethnic group of people get suppressed.
Therefore, eradication of such institution is the mandate of people s movements, civil war and revolutions.


For the better - The Federal Governance System is essential for people to participate directly in nation building process.
It is not only the ruling elites domination over the nation building process but the responsibility of all people of Nepal.
So all must be involved to dissolve the feudal oligarchic institution of the monarchy through the declaration of the House of Representatives or the CA elections.


I salute your dedication and resilience; to reach the point you have reached today through difficulties and hurdles is a very awe-inspiring story. I believe that you will do well in future and will contribute directly/indirectly in the betterment of your community/region/country.
I agree with most of what you have said, but I am curious with the last 3 words of your post.

I don t know if you mean it in some other way, but I do feel like there is the vibe of violence in it. And right now, the thing that Nepal least needs is violence.
Let’s envision a better Nepal - where human-rights are preserved, where everyone has a right and environment to education, where no one is better than the other by birth.

But, let’s not go that way by the means of threat, violence, and abuse. Sasanka,
I thought we lived in period of democracy and everyone has right to opinion.
I did not know that democracy according to you have to defined as per your understanding and support your reasoning; or else, they are same old parasitic class and who are hurt by the changes that are about to take place in the country .


Perhaps you can clarify the number of federal states that Nepal should have. May be 103 because there are 103 different ethnic groups in Nepal and all of these ethnic groups must be given federal states if it is inclusive democracy.
Kindly elaborate how will it be administered and financed?

Are you going to print money?
Of course, when all the oppressed class are given positions in the (administration), administering the regions and decide things that would affect their lives , why would they need money? They can eat those positions and be happy everafter.

What’s about 70% of people? doing your own math?
Let me also rise the same question as Sasanka has done .

lets say we will have Federal system based on ethnic group so how many state do u propose .?
The point is since everybody is protesting for it .

.none of the ethnic group should be left aside or?
@Justice are you trying to threaten us?

If yes then .no need to discuss here like civilized people .lets meet up in the battle field .

.Lets see who can fight better ..


I realize there is an imminent need to deal with this visionless and dangerous group of people, who understand nothing but violence.
I see only CIVIL WAR in future because of their rusty brain and inferiority complex.
This ethnic based discrimination in institutional level ……It’s only there in your mind….

……..otherwise.

Have you ever heard anyone being stopped by visiting some school, colleges and university due to their ethnic background…..or from getting a job?


And I am very surprised to read…..someone telling me…YOUR TEMPLE…is not YOURS Anymore?


OR CONVERTED YOURSEFL to other religion? Well….may be part of hip fashion…personal thing….

ohooo
Open your eyes….and prepare yourself for the war of any kind. NOT by Khukuri…but with PEN.

Let’s sit down and talk…..tesai tatiney?

Sabai kura thik huncha…Khukuri nikaley pachi?
Serving other Nations (Britain, India) army does not make you Bir Gurkha…..

never forget that.
@ Justice: Ghannta jasto Kura garney ta…?

uwb-quick-take

  • The government today (25 Feb) decided to provided Rs 50 million per month to the Maoists for the management of Maoist cantonments that are set up at different regions across the country.

    In a meeting of the Maoist Cantonment Management Committee today, it was also decided that each Maoist combatant would be provided with a daily allowance of Rs 60. The CPN-M today also submitted the expenditure details of Rs 35 million that has already been provided to the party by the government for the purpose of camp management. Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula said that whatever problems being faced by the Maoist combatants would be solved by the government after holding discussions with the Maoist leadership.

    The government earlier had stopped allocating additional funds to the CPN-M after the latter did not provide the government with expenditure details. Today's meeting also concentrated on the other problems that have been noticed in the Maoist cantonments. Criticizing the government for not providing enough food, shelter and other essential amenities and stating that the living conditions in the cantonments were extremely poor, thousands of Maoist combatants had deserted their cantonments a few days ago.

    But, following criticism from all quarters including the government and the UN, the combatants returned to their respective cantonments. -

Quick Take 2

  • Chairman of the agitating Madheshi People's Rights Forum Upendra Yadav has said that the Maoist intervention in the forum's program in Nepalgunj was the height of "terrorism and militant philosophy". Condemning the Maoist disruption and vandalism during the forum's mass meeting in Nepalgunj Saturday, Yadav today (25 Jan) said, "This exemplifies that the Maoists are still following the philosophy of terrorism.

    " Yadav also accused the Maoists of harboring a tyrannical manner. Labeling yesterday's disruption of the MPRF mass gathering at Tribhuvan Chowk in Nepalgunj as an attack on democracy, the forum chairman said, "The attempt by the Maoists to crush freedom of expression is reminiscent to Pol Pot's tyranny.

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Keywords: Ethnic Groups, Maoists Comrades, Nepalese People, Comrade Prachanda, Government Officials, Nepali People, Political Parties, Rana Regime, Madhesi Group, Human Rights
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